Rare Old Beast: a Very Early Brompton
Brompton folding bikes have remained virtually unchanged since they entered into production in the late 1980s. But before that happened, there was a small pilot run and the machines from this early batch were just a tad different. Only several hundred of these were made. Two of those recently ended up passing through Harris Cyclery on their way to the Brompton museum. And one of those I had the opportunity to photograph and ride. Pictured here is the 358th Brompton ever produced. Red and black 3-speed with upright handlebars, dynamo lighting, rear rack and fenders.
Other differences are more subtle. For instance, the handlebars are welded(?) to the stem.
Here is a close-up. I take it this means the early handlebars were steel.
Likewise, the rear carrier is welded to the rear triangle.
The bike comes with a wide, sprung plastic Brooks saddle.
Fitted onto a set-forward seatpost.
The dynamo lighting functions via a bottle generator on the rear wheel. The rear fender has a special cut-out to accommodate it.
The cable routing is interesting.
If I understand this correctly, it appears that several cables are gathered into the same housing and secured to the frame and stem at various points to facilitate the fold?
Here it is passing over the bottom bracket.
Only the pedal fold is different.
Finally, it looks to me as if the frame construction itself is different in places - the way the tubes are joined. The other differences are mainly in the components. The retro lights. The fender stay attachment. There is no front block system, and instead some of the early models were fitted with front racks. Brompton experts will no doubt notice a myriad of other differences that I haven't picked up on. As far as weight, the bicycle felt a bit heavier to pick up than current production models built up with equivalent specs, but not by much.
I rode the older bicycle carefully and briefly - not wanting to ruin its pristine condition (it had barely been ridden by the previous owner). The first thing I noticed was that there was much less room in the "cockpit" compared to my own Brompton; it felt a bit cramped. The difference seemed too great to be explained by the older bike's saddle being more forward; it seemed that the frame itself was shorter. Later I asked about this at Harris and was told it was indeed the case. Unfortunately I had no time to measure the two bikes, but it appears that when they got rid of the bend in the main tube, they also lengthened it.
However, the front-end handling of the older bike felt very similar, if not identical to modern Bromptons. Overall, riding it felt like riding an older and more upright version of the same bike. Reading Brompton's history and hearing about it firsthand from those in the know, it is striking how little the bicycle has been tweaked since its initial development. Aside from straightening out the bend after the pilot production run, they've mostly just worked on getting the weight down a bit and improving the components. The fold and the handling have remained the same.
aesthetically, moving that bend makes all the difference (looks the result of an accident on the original), only brooks could make a saddle both butt ugly and deeply intriguing, with those sprungs, it all supports what i always feel - that brompton design is the result of painstaking evolution, it looks elegantly simple, but is probably result of much painstaking development, great post
ReplyDeleteThis is possibly a wildly stupid question - but how exactly does a rear rack work on a Brompton? It seems like it would be too close to the ground to hang panniers on, at least without them getting filthy dirty and soaked at the first encounter with a puddle.
ReplyDeletesomething like this?
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You can get a rack-top bag/basket as pictured in Tina's links, or lash stuff directly on top of the rack. However,all of this will affect the fold (the rack ends up under the bike when the Brompton is folded in "sit" mode). All in all, I prefer not to have a rack on my bike and to carry everything via the front block & click-in bag system.
Deleteyou can also get your other half to stand on it while cycling back from a pub afte a few drinks(as long as she's not way above seven stone or so, it works, and its not a long way to fall..)
DeleteIs it me or is the rear rack here tilted down?
ReplyDeleteIt is tilted backward a bit.
DeleteThanks for sharing this, further proof that Bromptons were pretty inspired from the jump.
ReplyDeleteThe condition of that bike is fantastic, at first I thought "Big deal, it's not like they're antiques or anything" and then I thought a bit more and realized just how long they appeared and wished my old machines were as nicely preserved.
I wonder how many buyers could be tempted to pay a bit extra for a limited edition with the old style kinked toptube...
Spindizzy
The bikes are almost NOS, still have some of the original clear plastic clinging to them. If I remember the story correctly, the original owners (a couple) bought them for a road trip that never materialised, so the bikes remained mostly unused.
DeleteIt looks like you can turn the seat post / saddle interface 180-degrees to gain more "cockpit" room.
ReplyDeleteSure, but it would affect your position in relation to the pedals.
DeleteAny idea how much one of these is worth today?
ReplyDeleteI remember a very similar looking folder came up for sale a few years back. The seller knew nothing about it, said it had belonged to his late uncle. He was asking $300. I thought the bike had been in an accident, so I passed. Kicking myself now!
DeleteAnybody know what year they began offering the 3 handlebar options? Were each of them welded to the stem originally?
ReplyDeletelooks like 2005
DeleteThe stem and handlebars were only connected on the pilot run models, as far as I can tell.
Deleteaccording to Brompton's history page, the wheelbase was increased in 2003:
ReplyDelete".....Some re-engineering and re-tooling in 2003 allowed the company to extend the wheel-base by a few centimetres, further increasing the stability of the ride without compromising the size of the folded package"
If I understand correctly, they expanded the frame twice - once right after the pilot run and again in 2003. The current model feels just right to me with the M handlebars, but the P-bar bike I test rode last summer felt a bit too stretched out.
DeleteYou bring up an excellent point here, one that any prospective Brompton buyer should heed. Each of the four current handlebar positions puts your hands in a different position, both vertically and horizontally, so it's essential to try all four options to get the right fit. I love the way my P-type fits me, and when I parked it next to my custom-built touring bike, discovered why... the hand position is basically identical! So if you're shopping for a Brommie, make sure you try the M, P, S, and H-bars all.
DeleteThere is a picture of me riding the P-type bike last summer, and the fit looks altogether off and awkward. On my own M-type bike the fit looks (and feels) much more natural and normal. This is odd, because I'd thought the upper portion of the P-bars is on the same level as the M-bars, so it should be similar. I'll have to measure the different bikes next time I see them side-by-side.
DeleteReally interesting to see these. The evolution of the design is pretty subtle, indeed.
ReplyDeleteI had to look twice to realize that the dynamo and headlight are virtually the same as the Soubitez units on my early 70s ROG Pony folder.
Interesting that you thought it hadn't changed much. I read somewhere that they try to make sure that new/ improved parts are still compatible with old bikes ie no built in obsolescence. I don't have one, so this isn't from personal experience.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely true! For instance, when they introduced a latch to keep the rear frame from trying to fold whenever you pick up the bike, they made it retrofittable to all Bromptons. We've converted at least a half dozen older bikes that way in the past couple of years.
DeleteThe concept between Mark I and Mark IV is the same but if you look more closely at the bike, there are many small changes.
DeleteI can say from A. Ritchie itself that he can't do anything for me if you ask to him some remplacement parts for my Mark I's! ;)
I have a Mark I (number 300), but needs TLC and not sure how to fix it, advice from Brompton was this:
Delete‘The problem with the very old Bromptons is that the chain tensioner is of a completely different design and located onto a different rear axle plate to the current design. Consequently it is not possible to replace the chain tensioner with one of the current design, and unfortunately we do not have any spares for the original chain tensioner design (only 500 were made and that was over 20 years ago).
New wheels would fit, but an easier option is to screw a replacement hub internal into the old hub shell, this would not compromise the look of old bike, but without a chain tensioner it's an academic exercise.’
Any ideas?
I have a Mark I (Number 300), needs TLC and advice from Brompton as below:
Delete‘The problem with the very old Bromptons is that the chain tensioner is of a completely different design and located onto a different rear axle plate to the current design. Consequently it is not possible to replace the chain tensioner with one of the current design, and unfortunately we do not have any spares for the original chain tensioner design (only 500 were made and that was over 20 years ago).
New wheels would fit, but an easier option is to screw a replacement hub internal into the old hub shell, this would not compromise the look of old bike, but without a chain tensioner it's an academic exercise.’
Any Ideas?
Ask on the FB groups I mentioned in my January 14, 2015 comment. Those folks would be knowledgeable and helpful. (There's also a Yahoo Group called BromptonTalk where you might get help.) Be ready to post photos of your bike. The Older Brompton Group FB members will be asking for money shots.
DeleteTwo others Mark I: http://www.bromptonforum.net/t4816-mon-nouveau-brompton
ReplyDeletewith history research, pictures, restoration...in french
Pictures and somes comments in english: http://www.flickr.com/photos/69214402@N04/6977166749/in/set-72157629629826821/ (Tribute to Andrew Ritchie and Julian Vereker)
Abeillaud [Bromptonforum.net]
Olivier (Belgium)
There is a Brompton forum...
Deleteand it's in French!
Thank you for sharing this : )
There's also the BromptonTalk Yahoo group:
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They're great bikes. We (bikes@vienna, in Vienna, VA) have sold them since 2008, and I've owned mine since 2009, and just love the bikes.
Tim
A very nice bit of history and a cool bit to boot!
ReplyDeleteSorry I haven't been here to read/comment lately,had to move house for the second time in two summers (no house fire this time,only hopes and dreams burned this time,LOL!),the only real bad part,however,is less biking for transportation opportunities,I miss that.
The Disabled Cyclist
Wiggo!
ReplyDeleteI have not seen such lovely photos of the Mark I before, thank you!
ReplyDeleteI guess I am alone here, but I like the humpback frame! Did the shorter wheelbase make the fold of the older model smaller?
ReplyDelete@Nat: Me too, you're not alone.
ReplyDeleteNot really. This curve is called "sharper dog-leg curve" (Henshaw, Brompton bicycle, 2011,p.), because " Ritchie ad been forced to use a standard pipe bending tool, as the company couldn't afford the custom tooling to produce a smoother curve." (Ib.)
Yes, ~3 cm shorter that the Mark IV but really not shorter folded. In fact, this sharper dog-leg curve doesn't influence the compactness
Other pictures of a Mark I:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/abeillaud_bromptonforum/sets/72157629629826821/
Meeting with Andrew Ritchie at Blenheim with a Mark I during the Q and A session (2012): http://www.bromptonforum.net/t2427p360-j-ai-croise-un-bromptonien-sympa#77721
Olivier, Belgium
[Abeillaud on bromptonforum.net]
I had a great time seeing the pictures and explanation about the vintage Brompton. Thank you vor sharing them! :)
ReplyDeleteI've got one of these (identical by the looks of it but not in such good nick) I might want to sell. Anyone interested?
ReplyDeleteHi I would like to buy your bike. Please contact me at dearhiggs@gmail.com. Thanks. Tom
Deletehello hannah,
ReplyDeletei am interested to buy your brompton mark1.
please contact me by email: kropp@faltenreich.de
best regards
The Older Brompton Facebook Group is quite active with similar stories: https://www.facebook.com/groups/638481376239887/ Members collect these Mark 1 Bromptons. There are few other tales of Mk1 being shipped off to Brompton Junction shops. Many of the active members seem to live in Asia. (BTW, there's also an active Brompton Bicycle Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/bromptonbicycle/)
ReplyDeleteA very interesting blog - thanks.
ReplyDeleteToday I bought my first Brompton and it is from the first batch produced in 1982, pretty much identical to the beauty you feature in your blog - but well used! It's nuble 322 and I bought it from the son who's dad had bought it from Richie who was a personal friend. Could be he was one of the people who helped fund the venture and got a bike as a thanks.
I have to say, having spent the afternoon cleaning it, I'm amazed at the ingenuity behind the design.
I have just posted it on my Flickr site: https://www.flickr.com/photos/36040317@N02/25368508649/in/dateposted-public/
Michael