tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post684397149754173205..comments2024-03-27T05:14:23.738-04:00Comments on Lovely Bicycle!: Pannier Mounting Systems Compared: Ortlieb, Arkel, Basil and FastriderVelouriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-88628466881697714012017-05-22T18:27:06.743-04:002017-05-22T18:27:06.743-04:00I have a set of Arkel front panniers that I use on...I have a set of Arkel front panniers that I use on my rear rack and one Basil Bloom "Carry All Bag". The Arkel set I have use very sturdy metal hooks with a bungee cord. It works great. The Basil bag has those little plastic hooks AND no bottom stabilizer, so when I go around a corner, my bag has a tendency to swing out. I'm looking into a way to modify it now. It's the bag I use when I bike to job interviews and work, but it's not very sturdy. :/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-46798257584678525412016-08-11T11:10:47.826-04:002016-08-11T11:10:47.826-04:00Hi there, I spied your comment about Jannd and was...Hi there, I spied your comment about Jannd and was wondering if you have any tips for getting them on and off the bike? I bought a set second hand and while they are solid once on the bike I'm finding the system a bit challenging with the the Velcro and belt slip to install and remove. Help?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07282997479375292788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-42944947465711806952015-02-18T07:18:04.646-05:002015-02-18T07:18:04.646-05:00Agree that the Arkel system is excellent and easy ...Agree that the Arkel system is excellent and easy to retrofit. <br /><br />I like hook-and-bungee systems but I used to replace the hooks with heavier ones designed for use on boats. I would never, ever use plasic hooks for touring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-62570394431614915122014-12-19T09:29:10.671-05:002014-12-19T09:29:10.671-05:00I'm late to the game on this one, but earlier ...I'm late to the game on this one, but earlier this year I retrofit a pair of MEC panniers from the plastic mechanisms (mentioned by another poster, above) to the Arkel system. I could not be happier. The Arkel system took a moment to understand, but once I got it, installation was easy, and the panniers are much easier to put on/take off than they were before. Interestingly, the panniers, clips, and rack (Axiom) are all Canadian products. Who knew?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-20207474054591923292014-02-24T09:00:11.017-05:002014-02-24T09:00:11.017-05:00I posted earlier to recommend the Lone Peak mounti...I posted earlier to recommend the Lone Peak mounting hooks, but appear to have missed the wide diameter dutch rack requirement. I would bet that the Arkel Cam-Lock system would work best as they are quite wide and the cam locks adjust to fit rails of any diameter. It's a remarkably nice system. <br /><br />As well, I recently completed a mounting system retrofit for as set of Jandd Mountain Panniers with Lone Peak, Arkel, and basic hardware store parts that might be of interest to anyone looking for custom mounting solutions. See link below. <br /><br />https://sites.google.com/site/hugfly247/home/projects/custom-pannier-mountsHugFlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106856610953405661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-42975676070805507732014-01-18T13:45:55.481-05:002014-01-18T13:45:55.481-05:00It would be really good if the manufacturers would...It would be really good if the manufacturers would post specs on how large tubing their hooks will accommodate and also distances for openings. My tubes are also thicker than normal. How large are your tubes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-10023119648730356942014-01-01T23:47:19.580-05:002014-01-01T23:47:19.580-05:00The Loan Peak Mounting system seems to address the...The Loan Peak Mounting system seems to address the issues identified with open hook + shock cord attachment systems quite well. Loan Peak hooks are plastic (but TOUGH) and wrap all the way around the rack bar. The bungee/shock cord attachment provides tension and secures the bag from below. These have been well tested by touring cyclists for their strength, simplicity, and reliability. HugFlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106856610953405661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-28281842495871571582013-08-19T19:00:53.169-04:002013-08-19T19:00:53.169-04:00This blog was very interesting and informative.
...This blog was very interesting and informative. <br />I have wondered how different systems attach to racks. I have just a purchased pannier with the much mentioned klicks system. I was hoping there would be a picture of one attached to a rack. <br />All in all a great blog. <br /><br />Dee<br />UkDeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01089195620157082510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-1441219493072977862011-09-13T17:30:53.745-04:002011-09-13T17:30:53.745-04:00Does anyone know the QMR attachment system that Va...Does anyone know the QMR attachment system that Vaude uses? I'm thinking of ordering one of their Wright Tarp panniers.Alice Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04293177347271065849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-32412180641763324472011-08-11T11:21:40.155-04:002011-08-11T11:21:40.155-04:00Thanks for this informative post. Now I understan...Thanks for this informative post. Now I understand why the fellow at the bike shop was so enthusiastic about the Ortlieb mounting hardware... and why not to trust a cheap pannier with just open hooks at the top!<br /><br />In the end the comment stream steered me towards Laplander, and I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my City Panniers.Neilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-9396100941526327422011-07-05T23:02:58.087-04:002011-07-05T23:02:58.087-04:00any idea where I can get the parts of a Fastrider ...any idea where I can get the parts of a Fastrider pannier? My bottom bracket is broken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-76236903344120663892011-04-12T10:22:17.512-04:002011-04-12T10:22:17.512-04:00With regard to your wish that the Ortleib bags wer...With regard to your wish that the Ortleib bags were available in other fabrics, you can buy the fixings from - http://www.bike-components.de/shop/cat/c261_Bits---Pieces.html - and could always add them to the bag of your choiceRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272755559589366573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-2571250951340160902011-03-16T09:53:21.007-04:002011-03-16T09:53:21.007-04:00I would HIGHLY recommend the Rixen Kaul Office bag...I would HIGHLY recommend the Rixen Kaul Office bag. I searched long and hard for the same kind of bag you are looking for, and am very happy with this one. The mounting system is very robust (assuming it fits the rack you have.) In addition to providing laptop capacity, a nice look off the bike, etc, the mounting system hides away cleanly when the bag is off the bike, and can even be removed completely in a few seconds. This was crucial to be as I have a long walk with the bag over my shoulder, and didn't want hardware destroying my clothes. I purchased it from Velo Fred and they were a pleasure to deal with (no affiliation, just credit where it is due).<br />-PeteRockfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16619592034101315794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-81403872585056361922011-03-11T16:20:05.739-05:002011-03-11T16:20:05.739-05:00I know this answer isn't going to be the most ...I know this answer isn't going to be the most glamorous, but it's what we do: Rein and I both have basic double panniers on our bikes with the basic webstrapping on the underside which makes them a pain to take on and off. It's good for NL so that no one is encouraged to steal them while we shop. They're pretty much permanent.<br /><br />We use fabric bags for shopping. We put our groceries strait into the cart and not bag them until we get to the bikes. We then line the panniers with the fabric sacks. The groceries get packed into the pannier/fabric sacks. Then when we get home, all we have to do is lift out the filled fabric sacks.<br /><br />Trying to get a full sack into a pannier is a pain. It's just easier to pack it in the parking lot while the bike is in the rack.<br /><br />When we do our Saturday shopping, I usually have 3 to 4 bags of groceries on mine and Rein has two sacks and a big sack of dog food.<br /><br />I also suggest looking at the Fast Rider catalog on their website. It does come in English. They have some pannier sets with a diagonal shape at the bottom to avoid heel strike. They are pretty nifty.Ronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16096213034605839343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-51738423659250183892011-03-07T14:39:42.749-05:002011-03-07T14:39:42.749-05:00SM - True, plus this pannier is huge and resembles...SM - True, plus this pannier is huge and resembles a big boxy wicker basket, which always gets people's attention. I was in a sewing store the other day and bought a fairly large sewing basket, then proceeded to stuff it into my Fastrider Shopper... which already had both my laptop and my camera in it. All three of the people working in the shop gathered round to watch!Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-78172191300931166072011-03-07T10:20:03.736-05:002011-03-07T10:20:03.736-05:00I took the Fastrider for a test ride this weekend ...I took the Fastrider for a test ride this weekend and I did not experience any swing or sway or heel strike on the Raleigh. So, aesthetically wise and for my work commute I'm happy with its performance. I have to say I received a lot of interesting looks from people. You don't see lovely bicycles and lovely panniers much where I live, so this is going to be fun commuting this spring and summer :)Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12235831374184428641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-6346219296924021852011-03-07T01:42:40.535-05:002011-03-07T01:42:40.535-05:00Amanda - I've heard good things about the R&am...Amanda - I've heard good things about the R&K system, and the fact that Berthoud uses them on panniers meant to go on randonneuring bikes suggests that they are strong and reliable. I'd like to know for sure whether they'll fit the oversized tubing on my Gazelle's rack, but otherwise I am sold.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-50586430712403322802011-03-07T01:00:09.549-05:002011-03-07T01:00:09.549-05:00I have previously expressed my satisfaction here w...I have previously expressed my satisfaction here with the ortlieb pannier connection system (and trust it to carry my laptop securely), and I use it with my thick tubed rack and on a thinner rack interchangeably without using the inserts. The R&K Kickflix from the velo fred website look pretty similar and self adjusting from the photos I can see- I wonder how durable/reliable they are?Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08892553888930861596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-27051550359662832102011-03-06T16:47:32.056-05:002011-03-06T16:47:32.056-05:00Velouria said...
Regarding the open hooks + bungee...Velouria said...<br />Regarding the open hooks + bungee system used Jandd, (snip) My comment about the system not being meant to support a great deal of weight (snip) I've made this clear in the text now.<br /><br />As for their effectiveness and reliability when touring, carrying laptops, etc - I can only speak of myself, and I personally would prefer to use a system where the top hooks locked around the rack."<br /><br />********************<br />My reference to hauling heavy items,i.e car parts, was intended to showcase the robustness of the Jandd bags and nothing else. I find that the hooks on the Jandd bags are really well made to the point that bending them in use is very hard to do. I seriously doubt that leather ,or any other type of mounting straps, will do as well. <br /> <br />The material used to make the bags is also robust making the whole package, to me, perfect for hauling anything that I can throw in them ,no sharp objects please!, a really good deal for those of us on a tight budget. <br /><br />http://www.jandd.com/Walt Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-31975793395262840112011-03-06T16:44:33.029-05:002011-03-06T16:44:33.029-05:00This recommendations are really helpful. My conund...This recommendations are really helpful. My conundrum is that I'm leaning towards either the functionality of the Basil D'Azur messenger bag or the fastrider. I'm with Velouria on the classic looks, but also need something that can be functional both on and off the bike. For me, the Basil's system of hiding the hooks is attractive, especially since I'm not one to park my bike and leave the pannier on. So, with that in mind, something easy and quick to remove that won't tangle in clothing is ideal. <br /><br />I currently own a Basil mesh rear basket which is fantastic but I'm a little bit unsure about those plastic hooks. Basil seems to make quality products but I wonder if it would be possible to replace Basil's hook system with something more durable?MFarringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00050234723125733522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-11772444762223361742011-03-06T15:07:26.984-05:002011-03-06T15:07:26.984-05:00Regarding double panniers, I have a set of the Lin...Regarding double panniers, I have a set of the Linus canvas/leather ones, which I attach to my Dutch cargo rack by securing one of the lower straps around a rack leg. The other side remains unsecured. This is really quite fast, so I never leave the panniers on the bike when going into a store.<br /><br />I only do it this way when loaded, since weight prevents the other half from moving. When unloaded, I secure both panniers with only their lower straps. It's somewhat more fiddly, but waaaay faster than doing up all the straps provided.Kirstennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-63611976350047487992011-03-06T14:54:50.043-05:002011-03-06T14:54:50.043-05:00Re: The Axiom system: There is a plastic piece tha...Re: The Axiom system: There is a plastic piece that is between the two metal hooks that swivels. You can swivel it upwards to "lock" it to the rack. You can't lift them off, as I find out every time I try to remove my bag and forget that I "locked" it! :)adventure!https://www.blogger.com/profile/11840448827760637569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-45122472744930569422011-03-06T14:31:54.086-05:002011-03-06T14:31:54.086-05:00@chris "oh, I should also say, in comparison ...@chris "oh, I should also say, in comparison to Anon @ 4:04's comment, the top hooks on my MEC panniers have not had any issues in the several years that I've owned them, even when riding at -5C and below." - I (Anon @ 4:04) thought I stated most clearly that I never had any issue with the top hooks or any other vital part of my Ortlieb Office bags - these parts are still original and in perfect working condition after years of heavy use, with no signs of wear whatsoever. The only parts that seem to be prone to deteoration are the buckles that fasten the rolling cover to the sides of the bag. And as this thread is about pannier mounting systems, as Velouria pointed out rightfully, this small and maybe coincidental failures of buckles may be seen as irrelevant. The Ortlieb mounting system itself seems to be flawless, as far as I can tell after years of hard use. <br /><br />But this will not keep me from trying a pair of "open hook" panniers made in China (I at least appreciate the fact that the country of origin is stated quite clearly and in large letters on the packaging) that were to be had for only six Euros each (about 8,33 US Dollars) I bought in a super market last week. They seem to be quite well made (featuring pin-tucks on the edges), and will presumably even look period correct on a 1980s bike (not to mention the word 'classic' here ...). :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-78083491395896506212011-03-06T14:29:44.290-05:002011-03-06T14:29:44.290-05:00Re double/ saddlebag style panniers: In that categ...Re double/ saddlebag style panniers: In that category, the world is your oyster as far as classic and reliable goes. There is Laplander, Rivendell, Brooks, Linus, Basil - too many good ones to list in a range of price categories. But in this post, I am talking about a pannier that doubles as a workbag/handbag/laptop bag when off the bike. In order for that to work, it must (1) be a single bag, (2)be easily removable from the bike, and (3) have a quick release system. The double/ saddlebag style panniers are designed to stay on the bike, not to be removed every time you walk away from the bike.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-89888997864845392862011-03-06T14:15:20.819-05:002011-03-06T14:15:20.819-05:00PS - Since someone mentions saddlebag style pannie...PS - Since someone mentions saddlebag style panniers... banjobrothers.com has a VERY simple / utilitarian set of saddlebags... Rivbike.com had a much more expensive pair as well...Josh Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03969306131489466113noreply@blogger.com