tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post5758813017552634993..comments2024-03-29T04:01:31.445-04:00Comments on Lovely Bicycle!: The Pashley Guv'nor: A Retrogrouch's DreamVelouriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-32802035809136310612013-02-18T09:59:14.039-05:002013-02-18T09:59:14.039-05:00where did you buy this bike?where did you buy this bike?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-83627241685772588682012-09-13T18:51:20.423-04:002012-09-13T18:51:20.423-04:00Bought one of these without having ridden it. Just...Bought one of these without having ridden it. Just fell in love with the way it looks. But it rides really nice. Granted when I take it out I don't ride far. This is a nice leisurely ride bike for me down to the coffee shop or through Griffith Park here in Los Angeles. While I do commute with it sometimes I have to allow for extra time just because I love to take the long way and take my time riding. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-46277183023359471582012-09-05T17:19:35.624-04:002012-09-05T17:19:35.624-04:00The steerer tube a traditional 1" ?The steerer tube a traditional 1" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-91668123196484521792012-09-05T16:41:46.290-04:002012-09-05T16:41:46.290-04:00I'd like to know who actually makes the bars f...I'd like to know who actually makes the bars for the Guvnor as they aren't std. Raleigh North ones, I just bought a pair and the rise is much larger than the near flat rise of the Guvnors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-36079740918685473082011-12-18T23:03:20.970-05:002011-12-18T23:03:20.970-05:00Hello People
I live in London across the pond, I h...Hello People<br />I live in London across the pond, I have a Guv'nor, and have no problems commuting to work 3 days a week and I use a track bike for the other two days. I carry water proof trousers. Mudguards/Fenders are fine but this bike is an old fashioned race bike. <br /><br />If it rains such is life. I have some powerful LED lights fitted front and rear. My machine is single speed but i fitted a 16 tooth cog in place of the factory fitted 18. most sundays i take it out for spin also. the upside down handle bars are very smart. cutting thru heavy traffic with a long wheel base bike takes skill. but can be done with practice.<br /><br />I feel the weight is just right. Brakes never let me down.<br />save up and get one you will not regret it.<br /><br />I like speed but tend to keep my body weight down and don't feel this well designed bike is for all. but many will love it, if they actually took one for a spin.<br />Regards <br />Tony...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-80175204200305848322011-11-21T10:58:29.289-05:002011-11-21T10:58:29.289-05:00I would probably guess between 4 and 5 lbsI would probably guess between 4 and 5 lbsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-45144792058708437152011-09-06T07:06:32.183-04:002011-09-06T07:06:32.183-04:00I wonder what the weight difference is between the...I wonder what the weight difference is between the frames of the Guv'nor and the Roadster?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-63739214466525478642011-03-10T16:09:26.965-05:002011-03-10T16:09:26.965-05:00This is a nice production bike but if you have any...This is a nice production bike but if you have any mechanical inclination you can build something similar for half the price and own an actual vintage bike.<br /><br />I just built one using a 60's nervex-lugged steel touring frame, vintage Gian Roberts & steel Campy parts, Brooks saddle plus Velo Orange fenders & Porteur rack for $700 total.<br /><br />I think half the fun of a "vintage" anything is that is has percieved history and sentimental value. Reproductions of vintage things are something entirely different.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16458674672616653091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-75814319227385584052010-08-29T14:17:36.938-04:002010-08-29T14:17:36.938-04:00About brakes
Are 28" rims for caliper brakes...About brakes<br /><br />Are 28" rims for caliper brakes available? I would imagine the reasonable choices are drum brakes or rod brakes (stirrup).<br /><br />I can't imagine spoon brakes providing much stopping power. Practically, I imagine that drum brakes are more readily available and easier to adjust compared to stirrup brakes, and I suspect the weight penalty is not severe.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12454395470271733836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-47464217186174069882010-08-28T14:43:05.208-04:002010-08-28T14:43:05.208-04:00i love this bike so much. one of our local bike s...i love this bike so much. one of our local bike shops has one for sale, but i have been unsuccessful in my attempts to convince my cohabitant to acquire it...genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779437837001357182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-4481847638430705572010-08-28T01:13:02.446-04:002010-08-28T01:13:02.446-04:00I can't comment on whether upside-down North R...I can't comment on whether upside-down North Roads are worse than right-side-up North Roads, but the stem is slightly too long and the set-back seat post is a mistake. As Spindizzy points out here, and in other posts, it was supposed to have a set-forward seat post, as can be somewhat replicated by moving the Brooks clamp forward. That's how my Pashley Roadster came from the factory. If they knew this detail about their geometry, why did they go with the modern seat post on the Guv'nor? No doubt to please the same crowd that was happy to see a titanium rail saddle on the bike.MDIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810401918223629618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-78253896284537510052010-08-28T00:48:29.687-04:002010-08-28T00:48:29.687-04:00Ryan - I don't think anybody here is criticisi...Ryan - I don't think anybody here is criticising slack geometry in of itself. The person who test rode this bike commutes on a Pashley Roadster with upright handlebars that is just as slack, and I commute on a Dutch Gazelle, which speaks for itself. What's weird/interesting about this bike is the <i>combination</i> of the slack geometry and the aggressive bars - it is neither like a roadbike, nor like a roadster - but very much like a vintage pathracer on which it was modeled. As for upside down North Roads, this is not exactly a new idea but a very traditional one.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-90630246175681217572010-08-27T23:49:16.821-04:002010-08-27T23:49:16.821-04:00Drum brakes are weather-proof and reliable. There ...Drum brakes are weather-proof and reliable. There is the clean look and I also have them on my Raleigh Superbe. There is no problem like with traditional rod lever actuated roadster brakes. Of course disk brakes are much lighter but drum brakes give an old-fashioned note of nostalgia to an English bicycle.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-90739423129201680472010-08-27T23:45:15.534-04:002010-08-27T23:45:15.534-04:00I should add here that at 5'7", I bought ...I should add here that at 5'7", I bought the 20" Guvnor. A traditional Roadster would already be too tall for me. The steering is much more predictable with an upright Nitto Albatross bar. Its such an elegant bicycle. The ride is cushy and with the conversion, its not exactly a light bicycle any more. But in the roadster configuration, the Guvnor handles favorably even though it will never be as fast as as my Raleigh Superbe.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-75417887519372671162010-08-27T23:40:49.801-04:002010-08-27T23:40:49.801-04:00I have converted my Pashley Guvnor into a high-end...I have converted my Pashley Guvnor into a high-end roadster. It works even better as a roadster than as a path racer because the frame geometry is exactly the same as on a roadster. Withs a Brooks B-73 saddle, full fenders, front and rear racks and coat guard, front headlamp with a built-in hub dynamo and an upgraded 8 speed Sturmey Archer hub, its a completely different bicycle! It makes an excellent commuter.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-80257261029529518912010-08-27T22:45:08.062-04:002010-08-27T22:45:08.062-04:00Hey people, flip those bars right side up, and tak...Hey people, flip those bars right side up, and take some of that stretch (and ache) out of your back. Let's not criticize the slack geometry of the bike if we're doing crazy things like putting the handle bars on upside down.<br /><br />The Nitto North Roads--like the Albatross they're modeled after--are specifically designed to produce a comfortable, upright riding position, which is negated when installed improperly. Looks fast, but also uncomfortable to ride.<br /><br />Also with the bars wrong-side-up, the rider's head is pointed at a small patch of concrete about three inches in front (if you're lucky)of the front wheel. This head position is extremely dangerous for city riding, and not to mention impractical and uncomfortable (two things which, in my opinion, should always be married in cycling). Upright bars produce an upright riding position, greatly improving the vision of the cyclist and completely opening the peripheral vision up.Ryan Fairweathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-1288332157470023762010-08-27T13:59:39.270-04:002010-08-27T13:59:39.270-04:00They should make a truss frame model of the double...They should make a truss frame model of the double top tube version! Would be pretty authentic.<br /><br />Re hub brakes: While they may have already invented in 1930 (but were they?), they certainly were not used on pathracers. It would have been fixed + spoon brake on the front.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-8826221251018736112010-08-27T13:42:46.573-04:002010-08-27T13:42:46.573-04:00Pashley could've used a rod front brake, these...Pashley could've used a rod front brake, these rims are actually rod brake rims with proper rod brake surfaces on both sides of the spoke run. Or, as Velouria suggests, a spoon front brake... :)<br /><br />But I think drum brakes are totally okay and even sort of period-correct-looking. I don't think they weigh that much without the dynamo.<br /><br />Corey K: I have a 24" DL-1. The top tube comes up less to the seam of my pants than my 22.5" Pashley (all due to that crazy high bottom bracket). A 24.5" Pashley would be out of this world. You'd need substantially longer legs to comfortably clear it. The bike would look quite large. Add that second top tube and it would make a very different impression. I'd certainly like to see these in person some day. Having said that, I don't know whether the 24.5" frame has exactly the same angles with 2 more inches of head tube and seat tube (and an extra rod installed in between them), or if the geometry is altogether different.MDIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810401918223629618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-19969333648191837642010-08-27T11:29:01.107-04:002010-08-27T11:29:01.107-04:00As for the Drum Brake debate.... If one were to us...As for the Drum Brake debate.... If one were to use a rim brake on the guv nor, one would loose the beautiful rim in need of a rim with braking surface. The pin striped rim is a nice bonusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-40775504822967125792010-08-27T10:41:39.947-04:002010-08-27T10:41:39.947-04:00"It is a 22.5" frame, actually. The next..."It is a 22.5" frame, actually. The next one up is a double-top-tube 24.5" frame, which is a different bicycle, really."<br /><br />MDI, I am curious as to your statement. Do you think the double top tube makes that much of a difference regarding stiffness and weight compared to the single tt version?, Or do you mean that the larger frame would affect your personal riding form in such a way as to narrow down your positional adjustment options? <br /><br />Or something else entirely?<br /><br />CKCorey Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381826721030941179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-70704421229218681532010-08-27T09:13:49.879-04:002010-08-27T09:13:49.879-04:00Great review - I've longed for a Guv'nor f...Great review - I've longed for a Guv'nor for a while, but just couldn't justify it in practical terms. I was lucky enough to be at last year's UK Cycle Show in Earls Court, where the full Pashley range was on show, including some interesting prototypes - the Clubman being the most exciting for a 'one bike to rule them all' chap like me - check out this link for a pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishcycling/3994091518/in/set-72157622420164973/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-56161067317835364242010-08-26T22:25:07.655-04:002010-08-26T22:25:07.655-04:00MDI said...
" it's really weird that Pash...<i>MDI said...<br />" it's really weird that Pashley reproduced the pathracer so faithfully in every detail except one, the modern set-back seat post. "</i><br /><br />Don't forget the drum brakes.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-71223415379918001642010-08-26T22:23:01.935-04:002010-08-26T22:23:01.935-04:00Spindizzy, it's really weird that Pashley repr...Spindizzy, it's really weird that Pashley reproduced the pathracer so faithfully in every detail except one, the modern set-back seat post. Can you imagine how it felt with both your hands and feet way ahead of the saddle? It's not a comfortable position to be in.<br /><br />On my Roadster, I have it dialed-in just so, the pedals are slightly ahead but mostly under me (forward-facing Brooks clamp) and the handle bars grips are about 3 inches below the saddle and not too far ahead for a _slight_ forward lean, but mostly still upright position. It's a very powerful position and allows for a top speed of around 21-22 mph on a heavy (65+ lbs) loaded Roadster on level ground. Now if there is even the slightest downhill or tail wind... it just barrels on.<br /><br />I imagine with the Guv'nor set up right you could easily hit 25-28 mph on flats, who knows, maybe 30 :)MDIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810401918223629618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-9564544238977767652010-08-26T21:35:47.716-04:002010-08-26T21:35:47.716-04:00These bikes are the freaking BOMB! I built a vague...These bikes are the freaking BOMB! I built a vague imitation of one and it's neat but it just made me want the real thing even more. The one thing it really needs is a seatpost with a horizontal forward extension like the pathracers of old to make up for the crazy slack seat-tube angle. I'm going to make a couple of stainless steel versions for Raleigh DL1s so those of use that want to be a little more over the pedals can be, then when I get my hands on one of these monsters I'll be all set...<br /><br />SpindizzyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-79775080426738292010-08-26T15:25:25.521-04:002010-08-26T15:25:25.521-04:00It is more attractive to me with each look.
Impra...It is more attractive to me with each look. <br />Impractical suits me just fine. <br />(dons goggles and pith helmet)<br /><br />As for the drum brakes, I have seen 1930s Raleigh, BSA, and Triumph path-racers with stock drum brakes on E-Bay and elsewhere. I'll try to find the pictures I saved and post them.<br /><br />There is a fellow here who has perhaps the only two Pashleys in the county- he has a Gent's roadster and a 3-speed Guv'nor. I exchanged cards with him while waiting alongside the Amgen race route. <br /><br />Perhaps he'd let me try his out; we were very similar in height and build...and he really wanted to try a full chaincase Tourist himself.<br /><br />CKCorey Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381826721030941179noreply@blogger.com