tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post4476895253575827155..comments2024-03-27T05:14:23.738-04:00Comments on Lovely Bicycle!: Speaking of SaddlesVelouriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-70477083103031407552014-03-14T21:22:19.418-04:002014-03-14T21:22:19.418-04:00Curious to hear if you are still using this saddle...Curious to hear if you are still using this saddle and how it compares to your Selle Anatomica Titanico on long rides. I have used the SA saddle for double century without any significant discomfort but am looking for a synthetic saddle that might come close to that comfort level. So far haven't found any that I liked quite as much.StopPolloitionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06956656439146058672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-21650387773898979092013-05-21T08:13:33.468-04:002013-05-21T08:13:33.468-04:00@self propelled - fair enough. I could have state...@self propelled - fair enough. I could have stated things better, which would have been to say that there are saddles that get replaced when it was not the saddle that is the problem, but something else such as #1 or #2.mhlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-27637262583732470592013-05-20T11:27:43.119-04:002013-05-20T11:27:43.119-04:00Some saddle issues have NOTHING to do with #1 or #...Some saddle issues have NOTHING to do with #1 or #2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-72315453671741902652013-05-20T11:24:51.363-04:002013-05-20T11:24:51.363-04:00After your post about Rivet Saddles I asked on the...After your post about Rivet Saddles I asked on the SF Randonneur forum about these saddles (having some issues of my own). I received glorius feedback including Deb Banks contacting me directly and offering to loan a saddle to try out. What great service. Little did I know they were located in CA and she's a SF randonneuse!<br />DDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-14930138737505525322013-05-20T10:53:30.401-04:002013-05-20T10:53:30.401-04:00Isn't the Assometer a breach of the Assos bran...Isn't the Assometer a breach of the Assos brand?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-5309443000033795382013-05-20T10:41:27.518-04:002013-05-20T10:41:27.518-04:00I don't blame you for being cynical. But it wa...I don't blame you for being cynical. But it was not their only recommendation, and they certainly carry other brands of saddles. However this specific model had specs that seemed tailor-made for what I was asking for, and it happened to be made by Specialized. Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-56180555163659103832013-05-20T10:33:13.526-04:002013-05-20T10:33:13.526-04:00Forgive me for being cynical, but it is not exactl...Forgive me for being cynical, but it is not exactly shocking that a store selling Specialized saddles, with a Specialized measuring system, would recommend a Specialized saddle. I have used Specialized saddles, and while I like them, I like my Brooks B17 best. <br /><br />My own suspicion is that people experiencing soft tissue pain are either 1) not properly fit for their bike (most likely), or 2) they unreasonably expect complete comfort on long rides in super aggressive positions.mhlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-52116714153725537162013-05-20T10:22:01.351-04:002013-05-20T10:22:01.351-04:00Yeah, you're right, too broad. How 'bout, ...Yeah, you're right, too broad. How 'bout, boys can be dumb. <br /><br />To do something as juvenile as to put a big "ass-o-meter" label on something you are going to ask customers to sit on with the aim of taking their money at the end, seems a little dumb to me. At the very least unprofessional and disrespectful. What percentage of customers would we want to ask to "Put your ASS on this for a minute"? 100%? Probably not.<br /><br /> I'm a dumb boy too sometimes but I don't think we need to coarsen the level of discourse everywhere, all the time.<br /><br />SpindizzyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-51256213452580012152013-05-20T09:29:45.826-04:002013-05-20T09:29:45.826-04:00Thanks, that's pretty good.Thanks, that's pretty good. Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-37047560984062213382013-05-20T09:11:58.646-04:002013-05-20T09:11:58.646-04:00"It's easy to explain and use, and since ..."It's easy to explain and use, and since the measurer needn't touch the measuree, it wouldn't make even most shy people uneasy(that is if the almost, but not quite grown-up boys who run the shop wouldn't have stuck a homemade "Ass-O-Meter" label on it. Boys are dumb)."<br /><br />Boys are not dumb. And, in my case, it was a girl who told me the unofficial name of the Specialized seat sizing system.<br /><br />Anyhow, the system appears to work, and that is what matters...christopheruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956383502098368364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-32429443982696249312013-05-20T07:06:22.629-04:002013-05-20T07:06:22.629-04:00I've never had much trouble finding saddles (k...I've never had much trouble finding saddles (knock on wood) -- it's shorts that are troublesome for me. (And yes, definitely the shorts, as the issues are with chafing places that don't touch the saddle.)<br /><br />And a fat gal, no saddle will not hit my thighs -- what works is one where it's an even glide, which will eventually do in shorts but doesn't bother me. The clamp can also be an issue -- my Brompton occasionally gets me there. And the width of one's butt has very little relation to sit bone width -- I've never has mine measured, but I'm happy on a 150mm saddle (Fizik Vesta).antimonyhttp://bikingandbaking.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-89622307519432188572013-05-19T21:02:05.449-04:002013-05-19T21:02:05.449-04:00I do the hovering descending sometimes but standin...I do the hovering descending sometimes but standing pedaling can open up your pelvis so's you can stretch your back/hips/neck. <br /><br />Other bennies as well.GR Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145811568384053426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-38663851166208026772013-05-19T20:27:42.476-04:002013-05-19T20:27:42.476-04:00> today at Cirque-du-Cyclisme
!!> today at Cirque-du-Cyclisme<br /><br />!!Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-54245948974006146072013-05-19T20:13:48.520-04:002013-05-19T20:13:48.520-04:00Yeah, the saddle guide is a long-term plan.
Agre...Yeah, the saddle guide is a long-term plan. <br /><br />Agree with pretty much all your points, especially re riding style, technique, fitness, etc.<br /><br />One thing that occurs to me though: I don't sit the entire time, I stand on descents. Not stand-stand, but like hover above the saddle toward the back. So the butt/saddle do get some rest, especially on descent-rich rides. <br /><br />100 miles on the Romin Evo today. Not bad at all, though very different from what I'm used to. Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-79470324960375347892013-05-19T20:06:24.700-04:002013-05-19T20:06:24.700-04:00100 miles on the Romin Evo. Of all the leather sad...100 miles on the Romin Evo. Of all the leather saddles I've tried, it is similar-est to the SA. The regular Titanica, I haven't tried the X.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-69957622403828963272013-05-19T20:03:07.731-04:002013-05-19T20:03:07.731-04:00Yes, they are very different. But they do have the...Yes, they are very different. But they do have the wide rear/ narrow front ratio in common and for me that has proven to be a crucial feature for saddle comfort. <br /><br />I'll post an updated Berthoud review.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-22822213202019529422013-05-19T17:15:05.466-04:002013-05-19T17:15:05.466-04:00Oh yeah, About rounded saddles, it's like stra...Oh yeah, About rounded saddles, it's like straddling a pipe. I won a spiffy FSA saddle once and was surprised that they were giving something quite that expensive to those of us so far down the results. As it turns out it was because the person giving the prizes(Hmmm, could it be, SATAN!)hated us and wanted us to be unhappy. I still have it, all shiny black, superlight and rounded like a rolling pin. Truly an example of the fabled "asshatchet".<br /><br />SpindizzyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-33181071341714659252013-05-19T17:05:51.601-04:002013-05-19T17:05:51.601-04:00I always thought anyone trying to figure out a &qu...I always thought anyone trying to figure out a "system" for recommending saddles, was, as they say around here,"peeing up a string". It just never seems to work very well and the successes are used to validate the fails and put the blame on the rider for being a wuss. <br /><br />I have to say though,that the Specialized system actually seems to be a useful tool. The bike shop that's part of the company I work for uses it, and after getting measured, the system recommended dimensions that agree pretty well with what I find comfortable. I wish there would have been something similar available at the shops I used to work at.<br />It's easy to explain and use, and since the measurer needn't touch the measuree, it wouldn't make even most shy people uneasy(that is if the almost, but not quite grown-up boys who run the shop wouldn't have stuck a homemade "Ass-O-Meter" label on it. Boys are dumb).<br /><br />I almost traded an Ideale Mod. 90 alloy railed saddle for a new Berthoud today at Cirque-du-Cyclisme, partly because of your review and partly because the looks have sort of grown on me, but the guy didn't have a black one.<br /><br />Spindizzy<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-45911745539310611592013-05-19T17:04:46.920-04:002013-05-19T17:04:46.920-04:00Those who must know their inter-ischial measuremen...Those who must know their inter-ischial measurement who do not have a LBS or fitter nearby with one of those groovy Specialized fixtures could avail themselves of some wet sand.<br /><br />I have cut down severely on my collection and currently have three leather and four plastic saddles my friends can try. Doesn't count duplicates of very similar saddles or saddles mounted on bikes. Doesn't count oddities like the Campy Electra or antiques. Only counting road saddles. Swapping them around amongst friends is the usual method. Or I always thought it was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-38190687036726631192013-05-19T16:21:39.699-04:002013-05-19T16:21:39.699-04:00Lovely Assometer!Lovely Assometer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-27507053634923756852013-05-19T12:57:24.296-04:002013-05-19T12:57:24.296-04:00I'd hold off on the saddle guide for a while.....I'd hold off on the saddle guide for a while...there's a lot going on that's missing, represented by your comment above regarding smooth saddle/abraded shorts. btw it's b/c a combo of having a lot of sag on your SA, thereby flattening it giving it a sharp edge, and the amount of fat and muscle on your though close to the crotchal area, which of course changes depending on how much you ride. Ultimately the ideal saddle changes depending on this more than anything. <br /><br />To James' question and your preferences - these are good saddles but if you sit and spin for 12 hours at a time (who sits on anything that long an expects comfort?) on leather you will find these too hard I think. They are sport saddles, not endurance/touring saddles. You are supposed to stand a lot, hammer on the rivet, push back against the back stop. <br /><br />I don't know how one can expect leather cut outs to not pinch your stuff - you're putting it directly in the mouth while it flexes! <br /><br />The Bike Rumor article, once again, is very poorly fact-checked; the Romin is a late iteration of cut outs, the Toupe being its direct precedent. <br /><br />Instead of gabbing and thinking about your internal life the entire 200k next time perhaps verify the above by putting your hand under your saddles and feel that they go flat when you sit on them and there's a distinct ridge there that can cause friction depending on thing size and how you pedal, whether you're knees in, knees out, bow legged, knock kneed, have a big gut...there are too many variables to quantify to even start a comprehensive guide. Anyone who needs a new saddle and/or bike should consider traveling to a good fitter/dealer with a comprehensive satisfaction guaranteed policy and get their info/stuff there. <br /><br />I've found many, many people trying to intellectualize this stuff have little idea how to prioritize what when riding style/athleticism isn't taken into account. <br /><br /><br /><br />GR Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145811568384053426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-69109968398218683492013-05-19T08:56:08.869-04:002013-05-19T08:56:08.869-04:00Had a similar fitting done on a Specialized "...Had a similar fitting done on a Specialized "assometer" and came up with a (different) Specialized saddle than you but one with a similar shape. For me, it is perfect - by far the best saddle I have ever used. Hope you like it!christopheruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00956383502098368364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-7293718296419341242013-05-19T06:04:39.490-04:002013-05-19T06:04:39.490-04:00Hmm... The Berthoud and Selle Anatomica saddles ar...Hmm... The Berthoud and Selle Anatomica saddles are so completely different, I am not sure what to make of it that you like them both equally and are able to "go back and forth" between them! <br /><br />(PS: please update your Gilles Berthoud review. I think the old one was written after just a short test ride.)Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-41178320910713847982013-05-18T22:58:46.555-04:002013-05-18T22:58:46.555-04:00I have exactly the same saddles you do - a Berthou...I have exactly the same saddles you do - a Berthoud on my Bike Friday and the Selle Anatomica Titanica X on my Americano. Honestly, the Titanica X is the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden on. My determination if a saddle "fits" is if I can ride for six to seven hours in non-padded shorts and not be sore.<br /><br />But I am very impressed with the Berthoud. I used that on my last two century rides along with a 50 mile hill climber this afternoon and all is well in the "downstairs" department. It's actually more comfortable without padded shorts if that can be believed. I wonder . . . should I try out the Romin Evo? It's a lot lighter than either of my two favored sit-upons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-29922057464060718812013-05-18T22:42:59.927-04:002013-05-18T22:42:59.927-04:00I have a lot to say about this later. Weekend pos...I have a lot to say about this later. Weekend posts argh.GR Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145811568384053426noreply@blogger.com