tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post15870822192906533..comments2024-03-29T04:01:31.445-04:00Comments on Lovely Bicycle!: D2R Boogie: a Miniature Non-FolderVelouriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-5576956603630669972011-03-20T15:51:41.317-04:002011-03-20T15:51:41.317-04:00Lovely Bicycle: Thanks for putting up the post abo...Lovely Bicycle: Thanks for putting up the post about the Boogie! I've wanted a small bike that could navigate the short roadway commute and the hallway to my office. And fit in my office. I didn't want or need a folder, or a girly swan frame, and also felt the Boogie company isn't quite "there yet." Your post sent me googling and eventually I found Cannondale's Hooligan 8, which I have upgraded to the point that we are happy: functional and durable.<br /><br />The scholastic and dogmatic discussions were also interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-39555023218661097962011-02-11T05:41:29.131-05:002011-02-11T05:41:29.131-05:00Corey - Swan frame or not (drop frame?), that is a...Corey - Swan frame or not (drop frame?), that is a cool looking bike!Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-90247245899826337282010-12-28T02:47:14.685-05:002010-12-28T02:47:14.685-05:00I kind of love the look of this mini swan frame! A...I kind of love the look of this mini swan frame! As it happens, I've just finished researching Italian-built U-frame folders, so I have little bikes on the brain. U-frame riders say the bike feels flexy compared with the Raleigh Twenty - I imagine the swan frame would make it feel more solid.<br /><br />@Corey K - Those Citizen Barcelonas are sweet. I think technically they'd be called U-frames too.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15979321317873788140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-12500948084985416252010-12-27T10:13:16.764-05:002010-12-27T10:13:16.764-05:00Small-wheel bicycles are not a new thing. The last...Small-wheel bicycles are not a new thing. The last big small-wheeler trend started back in the swingin' sixties with the original Moulton and then went on to bicycles such as the Raleigh Twenty, which was a huge seller in the 1970's. I own a couple of Raleigh Twentys and I thoroughly enjoy using them. Yes, they were originally non-folding bicycles, and even to this day I rarely fold it. Upgraded it with some alloy rims and have just kept on riding it around. One great little bicycle.Martin Hartleyhttp://raleightwenty.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-76108815763447810542010-12-22T12:15:51.339-05:002010-12-22T12:15:51.339-05:00Correction- I've found no *vintage* swan frame...Correction- I've found no *vintage* swan frame folders.<br />There is the currently-offered Citizen Barcelona:<br /><br />http://www.citizenbike.com/catalog.asp?product_category_id=1&product_id=22<br /><br />Is it still technically a swan-frame with only one tube?<br /><br />CKCorey Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381826721030941179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-38739298351719727212010-12-20T21:58:49.575-05:002010-12-20T21:58:49.575-05:00Interesting pictures!
Though if I were to start co...Interesting pictures!<br />Though if I were to start collecting aluminum bicycles, it would be the lugged faceted aluminum <a href="http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2009/09/french-inspirations.html" rel="nofollow">Caminade</a> : )Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-48206568703003561862010-12-20T21:34:13.180-05:002010-12-20T21:34:13.180-05:00here are some clean aluminm welds:
http://www.fli...here are some clean aluminm welds:<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/timandmegan/5191581272/sizes/l/in/photostream/<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayak49/21484119/sizes/o/in/photostream/somervillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13903377050982678550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-14790025114418901152010-12-20T20:05:43.055-05:002010-12-20T20:05:43.055-05:00I bet the Trek mixte with fat pipes that's cro...I bet the Trek mixte with fat pipes that's cromoly is aluminum too... :)<br /><br />Same welds. The only reason I believed the D2R is steel is because you pointed out that the Trek had these welds too. Heh. Imagine Trek secretly (or unknowingly) doing that.MDIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810401918223629618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-70595154650598624992010-12-20T18:32:17.027-05:002010-12-20T18:32:17.027-05:00I understand, Velouria. I can't pretend to li...I understand, Velouria. I can't pretend to like aluminum either, but what I've been told about aluminum and read about hasn't necessarily jibed with my experiences with it, either. The thing about the blobby welds-- that has everything to do with cost-cutting and streamlined production and nothing to do with what's possible. Check out some of the aluminum high-end road bikes of the 80s and 90s, before carbon fiber. While not lugged, some aluminum frames look as cleanly welded as the best fillet-brazed steel frames. Just sayin... I'm still not going to start collecting aluminum frames anytime soon :-).somervillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13903377050982678550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-43211446218377788922010-12-20T17:25:39.947-05:002010-12-20T17:25:39.947-05:00somervillain - I don't know that I quite agree...somervillain - I don't know that I quite agree with that; I think I need more experience to form an opinion. Based on the bikes I have ridden, I associate aluminum with harsh ride quality over bumps and with welds that look like "squeezed-out toothpaste". But clearly that association has led me astray at least twice in recent times. The Trek Belleville had messy welds and a ride quality that felt harsh to me, so I wrongly assumed it was aluminum. The Boogie had so-so welds and a pleasant ride quality, and so I went with Harris's description of it as cromoly. Of course, with the Boogie, one could say that the wide tires were a choice made specifically to make the ride softer - but hey, if it works, it works. I can't pretend to like it less upon finding out it's aluminum.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-15921807612937065082010-12-20T17:19:15.508-05:002010-12-20T17:19:15.508-05:00"As a side note, I think it is interesting th...<i>"As a side note, I think it is interesting that I could not tell whether the bike was alum or cromo after riding it, both here and with the Trek Belleville earlier. "</i><br /><br />I think that with advances in computer-aided design and thoughtful consideration of components, the whole debate over steel versus aluminum has become largely moot, and the choice becomes a matter of historical and emotional preference (I still prefer steel, but I can't justify it with claims of superior ride quality). Most aluminum frames use hi-ten or chromoly steel forks, anyway, and the front fork is one of the major shock absorbers on a bike.somervillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13903377050982678550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-36118145825796392112010-12-20T16:51:10.172-05:002010-12-20T16:51:10.172-05:00Okay. I have spoken to the manufacturer on the pho...Okay. I have spoken to the manufacturer on the phone, and I understand the confusion now.<br /><br />The Boogie "City" bicycle, reviewed here, is aluminum. However, they have another version that will soon be coming out, the Boogie "Tension" (no idea what it looks like or any details) that is cromoly. <br /><br />As a side note, I think it is interesting that I could not tell whether the bike was alum or cromo after riding it, both here and with the Trek Belleville earlier.Velouriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00359329171411037482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-49213912429479049982010-12-20T16:00:46.738-05:002010-12-20T16:00:46.738-05:00The D2R boogie is definitely made from aluminum.
...The D2R boogie is definitely made from aluminum.<br /><br />That said, Sheldon himself stated:<br /><br /><i>"The reality is that you can make a good bike frame out of any of these metals, with any desired riding qualities, by selecting appropriate tubing diameters, wall thicknesses and frame geometry."</i><br /><br />My wife and I share an aluminum (6061, same alloy as the D2R boogie) Cannondale mtn bike. It rides like a limo, thanks to 2" wide Schwalbe Land Cruisers.somervillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13903377050982678550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-70504932192205033092010-12-20T14:15:57.302-05:002010-12-20T14:15:57.302-05:00Oh, duh--right--we should've put a magnet to i...Oh, duh--right--we should've put a magnet to it... I had my doubts too about it being steel. Too late now, but I'll try to remember next time I go to Harris.MDInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-77146086118089631332010-12-20T13:33:25.196-05:002010-12-20T13:33:25.196-05:00Velouria-
No luck in finding a swan-framed folder ...Velouria-<br />No luck in finding a swan-framed folder yet, though that just means I haven't been looking hard enough. I'm sure there's some little Steyr project from the teens or twenties that would fit the bill. Maybe a demountable, if not an actual folder. Lots of folks before us were brilliant.<br />I was making the comparison to the u-framed folders geometry and rider position, in this case.<br /><br />(I just read the subsequent blog post and am further convinced that there is little new underneath the sun. The newer editions just get lighter.)<br /><br />Now I want to get those 20" aluminum rims laced up...<br /><br />Corey KCorey Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381826721030941179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-58272376273826152582010-12-20T12:19:35.863-05:002010-12-20T12:19:35.863-05:00If you have no luck in contacting the manufacturer...If you have no luck in contacting the manufacturer you might ask the bike shop to hold a magnet up to the frame. That would solve the mystery of the frame material quite nicely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-29891780864484052992010-12-20T08:46:24.947-05:002010-12-20T08:46:24.947-05:00I have no clue why the D2R comes with fat knobbies...I have no clue why the D2R comes with fat knobbies stock. Is it intended to go off-roading, or on fire trails? Perhaps when sourcing tires at different price points, this tire met their criteria for cost and all-round utility? Who knows. My Bike Friday has 20" Schwalbe Marathons, and I <i>think</i> they're 2" wide, maybe 1.75". They seem fine, have okay roll-resistance, and are cushy when inflated to about 45lb. They ride smoothly on pavement and can do light-duty off-roading. They seem like a great all-round tire for a 20" wheeled bike. However, they're not cheap, so I can see why they wouldn't be chosen as OEM equipment.somervillainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13903377050982678550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-23674451803895368652010-12-20T05:09:42.703-05:002010-12-20T05:09:42.703-05:00Samuel - I would love to see someone on a train or...Samuel - I would love to see someone on a train or bus commuting with an Ordinary!anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333959064310072179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-31924446251871637762010-12-20T03:41:25.248-05:002010-12-20T03:41:25.248-05:00Raleigh - bring back the Twenty & show them ho...Raleigh - bring back the Twenty & show them how it should be done!Isla...https://www.blogger.com/profile/09569097700652272494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-8114197953852800582010-12-20T01:44:14.812-05:002010-12-20T01:44:14.812-05:00The Big Shot Mini Bike is an good example of a rig...The Big Shot Mini Bike is an good example of a rigid small wheel non-folder bike called the mini velo.<br /><br />They are very popular in Asia. They're basically scaled down adult bikes (with 48, 53 and 57 cm frames) with 20" wheels for compactness and storage in small spaces. They typically come with 451 mm wheels although with 406 mm wheels, there is a wider selection of tires.<br /><br />A mini velo is light and fast and zippy in urban traffic. It doesn't weigh much and is easy to port up and down apartment stairs and its size lends itself to being stored in a closet!NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-69871665139436507862010-12-20T01:05:44.738-05:002010-12-20T01:05:44.738-05:00Velouria, I don't like straight bars or gay ba...Velouria, I don't like straight bars or gay bars. But that's because I don't drink, and I prefer to meet potential dates in other contexts. <br /><br />Besides, I can't get into either one. Furthermore, I'm into Asians these days. So I prefer the Noodle bar.Justine Valinottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852069587181432102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-4582288569884004872010-12-20T00:58:46.349-05:002010-12-20T00:58:46.349-05:00MDI - Whoa, nobody is arguing, just asking for cla...MDI - Whoa, nobody is arguing, just asking for clarification. It's a discussion, man.<br /><br />Sheldon may say alloy is acceptable jargon, but does that make it right? Many manufacturers will describe a frame as aluminum in composition but refer to component parts as alloy, for clarification's sake. As in Velouria's example the website refers to the frameset as being 6061 alloy, a common aluminum. <br /><br />As a decades-long cyclist and engineer, I've never heard of a frameset referred to strictly as alloy. As I mentioned earlier, the reference may be due to regional differences. <br /><br />While Sheldon is considered, rightfully so, a near polymath of things cycling-related he is dead and bicycle technology has changed dramatically since he wrote some of his virtual broadsheets. <br /><br />Let's try to keep this about progressive mutual education, rather than being rear-guard.<br /><br />JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-89133631125661796012010-12-20T00:22:52.140-05:002010-12-20T00:22:52.140-05:00I've found it's best to not attach an ideo...I've found it's best to not attach an ideology to ones handlebars.<br /><br />Just sayin'...Mr. CrankyPantsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-68611064904564098802010-12-20T00:13:55.674-05:002010-12-20T00:13:55.674-05:00I can appreciate the usefulness of this type of bi...I can appreciate the usefulness of this type of bike. 20" wheels are great for stop-and-go and hills. Small bikes are convenient sometimes. But, the Viva Mini is way prettier.<br /><br />http://www.vivabikes.com/300 Pound Gorillanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467858377106451384.post-42459686616985563502010-12-19T23:34:53.169-05:002010-12-19T23:34:53.169-05:00Velouria, I love this post because this is probabl...Velouria, I love this post because this is probably the closest I will ever see you test ride anything that comes close to looking like a mountain bike :). Seriously though, folding bikes with small tires never struck my fancy, but like you said, there's something about the Boogie that's appealing. Maybe it's the fat tires, the handlebars (which I don't mind), or the frame, but I like it! Also, for traveling (vacationing etc...) - for someone who is handy in that respect; would this be an easy bike to disassemble and put back together?Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12235831374184428641noreply@blogger.com